Public Meeting


Dallas, Texas


January ????



Was There Human Species Perfected Off the Island of Madagascar?


Q:      I remember when you were telling us that the human species was actually born and perfected off the island of Madagascar? Is that right?


A:      There is an island that used to be off Madagascar, not Madagascar itself. Madagascar may have been part of it. And there is geological evidence that there is a sunken island betweenóif youíre in Madagascar, you can see part of it, and towards India. Thereís a couple of little mountains sticking up, little dots on the map that are still part of it. Incidentally, the reason why they figured out that there was such a place and started to look for it is because biologists, those who go back to what they call paleobiologists, speculated there had to be a place for animals of a common type to have distributed over a wide range of Asia and into Africa, knowing how the land bridges were at the time they speculated, that there was no way for those animals to get from one place to the other. So they actually hypothesized that there must have been a large body of land someplace which was the bridge or the origin of certain species. And they called that place Lemuria, and the reason why they picked that particular name is because it was the lemurs that were the species that they could identify as being at one place or the other. So thatís how they hypothesized that there must have been this sunken continent or sunken island, and they think it was maybe about half the size of Australia. So thatís where the term Lemuria comes from. I think I mentioned to you that the term for lemurs is referred to as being like ghosts because you see them at nighttime; theyíre nocturnal. Their eyes shine back any kind of light source. If you have a fire going or something like that and you see a bunch of eyes, theyíre lemurs. Theyíre very luminescent. The ancients thought those animals were ghosts. As a matter of fact, the Latin word for ghosts is lemurs, and so they called these animals, once they realized that here was a connection, they called them lemurs. Thatís how that term came about. And where Lemuria comes from is, This must be that place where the lemurs transposed themselves from one place to another to various continents, from that common source. So they identified that place as being in the West Indian Ocean.


Eventually the term Lemuria became applied to just about any kind of sunken land, so then when people started talking about he place in the Pacific that they speculated had to have been there, they gave it the name of Lemuria along with this other speculative island that sank in the western Indian Ocean. So the people who lived in Lemuria never heard that name. What the weather was like five million years ago or three million years ago was a lot likely different than today, and things that move up and down relative to the ocean surface, that changes every couple of million years. So whatever youíre looking at today, like for instance, there was apparently lush territory at one time in eastern Africa, kind of like a Garden of Eden, but now it is just desertous for the most part. So you never know what youíre going to find when you start digging.


Is the Same Group of Egos Incarnated to Build the United States?


Q:      Is it like that a lot of people who incarnated at this time also incarnated to help begin the United States?


A:      Well, yeah, there is a group of Egos that seem to enjoy getting things stated in the way of new civilizations, recreating as much as possible what has existed before. And that group, which consists of many a million, two million Egos, tends to incarnate together. They may do so every 200, 300, 600 years. But they tend to stick together. Theyíre good at what they do and theyíve started lots of great civilizations in the past, and although some of these great civilizations really served people very well, they all deteriorated as time goes by out of greed and desire for power on the part of certain individuals, those who exploited it and eventually ran it into the ground. So thereís always a need to be starting new civilizations, And this group, as I understand it, have no qualms of incarnating into whatever race that there seems like thereís a good possibility that they can put together whatís already existing into a viable, letís say, new republic or something of that sort. Maybe they didnít call them republics, but they were pretty much based on everybody having a say-so into what was going to go into that nation. I guess that group has been involved in Egypt and the Middle East in starting of Rome and getting things going for present-day western civilization, They just like doing that sort of thing, and as I say, theyíre good at it.


How Did the Lemurian Economic Work?


Q:      I have a question about Lemurian economics. What was the name used then?


A:      _________


Q:      My understanding is that their system or currency was backed by goods produced.


A:      Whatever was created, you know, that people were able to use as food or housing or roads or any kid of equipment, whateverósee, the way their economic system operated was that anything that the world produced had no monetary value. Trees, crops, fruit growing on a tree, it didnít have any cost to it. It was provided by the Angels, as it were, is the way they looked at it, and the only time anything had any cost applied to it was when somebody put some labor into gathering it or harvesting it, cutting down the trees and preparing it into wood, cut rock out of a quarry. Then the value of it was the human labor that went into the producing or further processing. So everything was based on human labor. And of course, if kids went out and gathered a couple of pears, apples or something like that off of a wild tree, it was free. Just as human beings from time immemorial, before any kind of civilization got started, they just gathered whatever was available. Nobody charged anything for a rabbit that they were able to shoot or things of that sort. It was just that was it. And then when trading became necessary, it became very convenient to assign a certain value to that thing for trading purposes, because barter justóif you wanted a bushel of apples and all youíve got is a cow, itís not very fair. The cow objects to having pieces cut out of it while it is still living, so we had to have different ways of breaking those values down into smaller bits that were easily traded. They based everything on human labor, so they didnít assign gold or silver or some other kind of commodity as the basis for their money. Their money was based on human labor. So whenever anything was createdósay, for instance, the government wanted to create a house. Well, it paid people to cut the rock out of the quarries and paid people to move it from the quarries where the house was being built. Most of the houses were built out of stone in those days. Whatever kinds of materials were necessary, the value accorded to them depended upon how much labor went into them. So they could figure the value of a house on the basis of all the labor it took to gather the materials and then to assemble it into a house. That was the cost of the house.


Did the Lemurian Government Pay for Anything?


Q:      They were paid by the government then?


A:      The government paid everything. The government paid all of these different people. Now thereís all this money floating around, but it represented something which was real. And then they would depreciate the value of that house over the length of the time that it lasted, which was like 8,000 to 10,000 years or something like that. So they would takeósay, for instance, the house would last 8,000 years. Well, they would take 1/8,000th of the money that they put into currency to pay these people out of the currency so that they then depreciated it.


How Did the Lemurians Take Money Out of Circulation?


Q:      Thatís the part I couldnít understand. You mean every amount of currency that goes into circulation actually goes into somebodyís pocket, so how do they put it back out of circulation then?


A:      Because people use that money to buy food and to buy various services so that itís floating around. And meanwhile, people would either sock it away in the mattress or they put it in the bank, and most accounting was done that way.


Q:      When someone else creates something else and itís pulled out and put back in circulation.


A:      Right, because people want it. Now, let me óthereís a key point here I want to bring out so that we can help you, and that is that everything that existed in the government at any given time had a value, and thatís how much money was in circulation. It representedóyou could call it a house, a road, food, or whatever. Consider them commodities, and the value that it took to create those commodities and the amount of money that was in circulation was equal to those commodities less depreciation. So letís say annual crops of grain and fruit and vegetables and what have you, that disappeared on an annual basis. Someone grew it. People had to plant the seed and gather it and move it to market. All that was figured in the cost of it plus a small profit.


Where Did the Lemurians Buy Their Goods?


Q:      Who did they buy that from?


A:      They bought it from the mart. See, the central mart was the only place that people could buy things of that sort. There was just one building in every city.


Q:      So all the exchange of goods, consumer items and everything, went through the consumer mart?


A:      Yes. Except for houses and roads and things of that sort, railroads and things like that.


How Did the Lemurians Account for Items Destroyed in Natural Disasters?


Q:      So how would they pull the money out of circulation?


A:      Because they had a cost-accounting system that would calculate the cost of all these different things. If an earthquake came and shook down all those houses, they would take that much money out of circulation because that commodity was gone.


Q:      But the money in circulation is in peopleís pocket. Wouldnít you be pulling it out of peopleís checking account?


A:      No, just out of the general treasury.


Q:      The government treasury?


A:      Right.


Where Did Money in the Lemurian Treasury Come From?


Q:      Which was donated by the people to begin with in their tithe or something?


A:      Well, there were some donations and there was a commerce tithe that all the businesses paid to maintain roads and transportation facilities and pay salaries for people.


Q:      So that amount of money they had in hand had to be enough to cover the depreciation costs and consumption of goods?


A:      Yeah, it always was in excess. People had to put their money in the bank. But how all of these details were worked out, I donít know. I can only give you the main system of the principles that were involved, and that is that all of the created commodities, food included, and the amount of money that was in circulation, held by individuals and held by the government, always was the same, as close as they could calculate it.


Q:      So inflation was impossible.


A:      So inflation never occurred. And there was no interest.


Did the Lemurians Use Computers in Their Accounting System?


Q:      Did they have computers?


A:      They probably had some kind of computational devices.


How Did the Lemurian Accounting System Handle Services?


Q:      What about services, since there is no exchange of goods and products ?


A:      Well, people paid for services. I mean, if you want to get your hair cut or your shoes repaired or something like that, you would have to pay somebody.


Q:      So that was not included in the ledger in the way of balancing the currency?


A:      Probably not. But the biggest thing was the fact that there was no interest, and we know from experience that whatever country youíre talking about, the rate of inflation and the rate of interest are virtually the same in that country at any given time.


What Is the Problem With Interest?


Q:      It has to be, because youíre trying to pull more money out of circulation than is in circulation.


A:      Well, the bankers get the cream off the top of the whole thing. But it increases the cost of everybodyís living. Interest multiplies in many different ways because in our system, a manufacturer has to borrow money to pay his wages at different times or to build a factory, whereas in Lemuria, the government built the factories. Theyíre paying interest on their loans, That all has to be calculated in some way so that they make a profit at the end of the year, so all the expenses that a company has in borrowing money is passed along to the consumer, and the people who are buying trucks; most people donít just go out and plop down fifty-grand for a tractor and trailer. They borrow the money from the bank and they pay interest on it. Well, the cost of transportation has to cover the cost of that interest that theyíre paying to the bank. Many manufacturers of all different sorts, including people who make bread, borrowing money for machinery, borrowing money for wages, borrowing money against accounts receivable, it all gets passed along, So you say well, maybe the interest rates of the bank are 8%. That doesnít mean that you never pay anything as a consumer more than 8% for the things that you buy. It keeps getting multiplied. Everybody is charging about 8%, and by the time you get your loaf of bread, more than 50% of the cost of that bread is taxes for all the different services that are involved, from the grower to the actual manufacturer of the bread. If you eliminate that sort of thin, the price of everything will drop drastically, and then you only have to work 20 hours to have the same standard of living that you have today working 40 hours. And then when youíve eliminated taxes, then you would probably only have to work ten hours in order toó


Where Did the Lemurians Get the Information to Setup Their Economic System?


Q:      Any one of those things makes sense. But is this system maintained by control of the people, or does it just naturally evolve this way?


A:      Someone apparently gave them the information that thatís the way they should set it up, people who have greater knowledge.


Is the Current US Economy Tightly Controlled?


Q:      Maintaining economic control is essentially whatís going on.


A:      It didnít require much control. Accounting is what it took rather than control. Because it was definitely a free market.


Q:      Iím talking about now.


A:      Oh, now itís a controlled economy? Well, the fed does that.


Q:      But youíre talking about the things that work great, and I certainly agree with you. But the reason they donít embrace it is because it would release a measure of control over us; is that not so?


A:      Right, and the bankers and the politicians are essentially the ones who _________ all of these things.


Q:      Itís maintained to maintain control, economically.


A:      Uh-huh. Yeah, our job is to be a cog in the great wheel. Donít step out of that.


What Is the Mystery of Babylon?


Q:      I want to know about the mystery of Babylon, the way itís depicted in Revelations, your understanding about what thatís


A:      Revelations is pretty mysterious to me.


Q:      Because it talks about this mystery of Babylon. Iíve heard everything from this goddess thing thatís supposed to be Diana and Isis and all these goddesses are supposed to be one, and then Iíve head that thatís what the mystery of Babylon is about, and then Iíve also heard that the mystery of Babylon could be the United States as an entity. Then I have another thing.


A:      And those goddesses arenít really goddesses, they are all symbolic, created by men.


Q:      I get them mixed up. But theyíre all supposed to be about the same thing.


A:      Donít worry about it, because if you donít pray to them, theyíre not going to zap you, because they donít exist.


Is the Earth Warming Globally?


Q:      Do you think the earth is warming globally? From time to time you seeóitís repeated over and over in the press that it is, and I seem to recall sometime back, that it was your opinion that it was cooling off, that ice was beginning to accumulate at the South Pole.


A:      There was a fellow by the name of Hainmicker who recently passed away. The theory seemed to cover just about everything in that, and that is that the increase in carbon dioxide is recreating colder climates towards the Poles, letís say from the 50th parallels north and south, and warmer in its temperate zones, so itís going to be accumulating moisture, and therefore, ice, on the Pole areas, whereas it will be getting more desert-like in the temperate zones. Of course, those which are already desertous are getting even worse in that direction.


Q:      So the answer is, overall itís staying about the same, but itís localizing more. Itís colder at the north and hotter at theó


A:      Right. Itís creating an imbalance in the whole circulation of the air.


Is There Any Way That the Government Controls the Weather?


Q:      Do you think thereís any way that the government controls the weather, has the ability to do that?


A:      I think they would like to, but I donít think they can actually. Thereís talk about the fact that the Russians are using some kind of electronic means, using Tesla generators to influence the weather in different parts of the globe. I just donít know. Maybe thatís possible.


Was There Anything Credible in the Writings of Dr. Peter Beder?


Q:      Thereís an author; his name is Peter David Beder. He wrote a book called Conspiracy Against the Dollar, and apparently he was also the legal counsel for the Exxon Bank during the Kennedy administration, and apparently he doesnít have a lot of credibility with a lot of people, but at one point he claimed that the United States had laid cables off the different coasts and powered them with nuclear reactors to control the steering currents for the weather patterns and they were able to control the weather in some measure by that means.


A:      People got all excited about some of the things that Dr. Beder wrote. They investigated and didnít find that any of the things he said were there or the places that he said were there. He also said that the Russians had planted H bombs in al the rivers and off the coast of the United States, in the major lakes and what have you. He gave exact locations down to the second, which means within a hundred feet, and nobody was ever able to come up with any of those things either.


Q:      If they had, they would have kept it secret, wouldnít they? I mean, itís just as easyó


A:      He said he had access to all of the things that ________ had put out.


Q:      I had some of those tapes that youíre talking about, and he said that he met with the Defense Secretary at that time; I think his name was Harold Brown, and gave that information to him and that the United States had removed those surreptiously, under the cover of secrecy. All Iím saying is that itís hard to prove that it was; itís hard to prove that it wasnít. In a case like that, how can you know whoís telling the truth? Because it would be in the United States military interests to keep that secret, would it not?


A:      Right, but I donít know ifódoes everybody know enough about how the air and water currents operate in the long run to be able to manipulate any of those things safely?


Q:      Thatís true. I donít know where to go with it from there. I just wanted to know your opinion on it.


A:      A fellow by the name of Tom Valentine was connected with The Stelle Group for quite a while. He really became interested in what Dr. Beder had to say, and he went there and talked with him and spent quite a bit of time listening to him and investigating his sources and other things, but his conclusion was that people in the primarily Rockefeller end of the banking group, were feeding him all of this insane stuff in order to destroy his credibility, and that seemed fairly logical to me. Because he was taking it justó you know, whatever they were saying, he thought, Wow, this is inside information. It comes right from the top. I will publish it.


Q:      But he also claimed to be working against the Rockefeller interests.


A:      Well, nobody hears anything from him anymore. Nobody knows what to believe, and so they just believe nothing.