Public Meeting
February ????
How Does Tithing and Seed Money Work?
QUESTION:
I have a question about tithing. Does it diminish the effect of tithing if you,
say, put ten percent in two or more places, or should it go ten percent in one
fund or one direction? What I was thinking about is the Philadelphia Fund and
Adelphi.
RICHARD
KIENINGER: The way that works is if you always
give to one place, then it has the effect of seed money, and seed money works
this way: If you are tithing to an organization which is really doing something
which is uplifting mankind, then we call that doing God’s work. There isn’t
anything we can do for God, but as I understand it, Creation was developed for
sentient beings to elevate themselves to the point of being Angels and
Archangels and then in the Celestial Host. So anything which benefits that kind
of growth of mankind is doing God’s work. If you are giving to such an organization
and you always give right to the penny ten percent, then those Higher Beings
who want to see that particular activity benefit more and more will then find
ways of leading you or leading the world to some kind of a situation which will
improve your income, because they know that every time your income improves,
that much more is going to go to their project. So you get that kind of
assistance if you do it to the penny. The reason why that’s important is if you
are just scattering it around to wherever you think something is good, it may
still all be for God’s work essentially, but they can’t depend on the project
that they’re working on getting any benefit by increasing your income. So
that’s where the seed money effect comes in. However you want to divide it up,
as long as it’s ten percent, it works okay. But one of the nice things about
the seed money effect is that if they increase your salary by $100—I don’t say
that they’re giving you more or somehow they’re influencing your boss—but they
find opportunities or lead you and the opportunities together so that you can
take advantage of those opportunities to increase the return on your efforts.
If you get an extra $100/week, that’s $10 more that they know is going to go to
their project. You get to keep the other $90. That’s yours. So the seed money
idea is very beneficial to most people, so therefore, people who become very
wealthy somehow or other seem to get the information from somewhere that when
they are doing the things that are of benefit to mankind, they get more and
more money all the time so they can do more for mankind, But they get richer in
the process. I hope that answers your question.
Is Tithing Based on a Person’s Net or Gross
Income?
Q:
Just a follow-up. Should the ten percent be based on your gross?
RK:
On your net. Because you have no control over what the Government takes out of
your—whatever goes for withholding taxes and for Social Security, you don’t
have any discretion over that; they just take it out and that’s it. So that’s
not your real income. You’re just using your employer as a means of collecting
money for Social Security.
How Are Health Benefits Figured Into the Tithe?
Q:
But you should include health benefits or other things that they take out of
your check?
RK:
If you don’t want them and you never get them, the time to start including
health benefits is when you start getting money for your—if you have some
illness or something that requires that there’s a payout of some kind for that
kind of insurance, well, that’s a benefit that you’re receiving and that’s what
you tithe on, is the actual benefit that you get, not how much they take out at
the time. So in other words, whatever is deducted from your paycheck in the way
of insurance, that’s money that’s gone, so that’s not discretionary so far as
you’re concerned either. It’s when you get a benefit from it, then you tithe on
that. Hopefully, you’ll never collect on it.
Who
Were the People That Built the Great Pyramid at Gizeh?
Q:
I understand that around 4,000 B.C. a group of people in
RK:
Most of them didn’t know they were affiliated with the Brotherhoods; the
leaders knew.
Q:
The people didn’t know? I was wondering how big of a group engineered that and
how man worked on it. Do you have any information on that?
RK:
Little smatterings of information from my teachers. There were about 100,000
persons per year worked on building the Great Pyramid.
Q:
Each year 100,000 different ones?
RK:
No, not necessarily, but that’s about how many were required. It took about one-hundred
years to build it. And the method by which it was built is really very unusual.
But they didn’t work full time on it. All the people who worked on the
project—and the people who were nominally in charge of it—were called the
Hyksos. Well, the Hyksos were able to give enough information to the general
populace to get them enthused about building the Pyramid. As I said, there was
never going to be a Pharaoh put in it and there’s no evidence that there ever
was anybody buried in it. It doesn’t bear anybody’s name. Usually, on the
inside they splash pictures and cartouches and what-have-you over every square
inch of the place that’s going to be the burial place of the Pharaoh. And the
Great Pyramid is the only one that isn’t that way. So I think they pretty much
convinced people that this was going to be a major marker of something of
import for mankind. It was a big job just leveling the plain. You’ve been
there; you know what it’s like. There are high chalk cliffs nearby—chalk
meaning calcium carbonate or limestone—and they had to cut that area more or
less flat. Actually, that is a spherical section and it was calculated that
when the last stone went on the top of the pyramid, the pressure from the
weight of the pyramid would finally bring the whole structure so that it was
flat. It’s not much of a spherical section, but it was not cut as a perfectly
level plane before they started building. Then they dug chambers into the
living rock where nothing was built around it. If you take the descending passage
to the place where the ground was level, the passageway continues without any
stone left around because it’s actually cut right into the limestone, It was
quite a project just to get started.
Q:
How did they cut the stone?
RK:
The hard way. But limestone is pretty easy to work with. Actually, limestone is
so soft in working it that they did not build the Pyramid out of limestone
itself. They made a cementacious material by grinding
up the materials that they removed in leveling the area, and they also took
some from nearby areas. Still today, if you get down underneath the sand, you
find just incredible numbers of chips of limestone, and that stuff was ground
down into a dust, perhaps heated in some way, and then mixed so that it would
form a rock in place. Then they had to bring incredibly huge pieces of granite
from hundreds of miles upriver and they actually floated those into place. They
created a canal around the edge of the Pyramid to float these things right up
to the place where they were going to be installed, So it didn’t require any
lifting. They stayed on the boats that they built especially for those huge
blocks of granite and they were brought up through a system of locks and the
only thing that was required is that cattle keep turning a turnstile to keep
pumping water up to the top of the rock and all of that stuff was removed. Then
they put Tura limestone on the outside, which is an
exceptionally hard limestone, and it was able to be polished to a high degree.
Q:
It glistened like a jewel, didn’t it?
RK:
Right.
Q:
At certain times of the day the light would strike it and project rays in the
air and things like that.
RK:
Right. Over long distances, too. The word for the lighthouse and the word for
ruler was essentially the same; it’s pharaoh.
Q:
Was the outside edge cut on the slope or the last rock as they come to the
outside?
RK:
Well, they were stepped in so they were resting vertically. The load was on the
vertical.
Q:
But they didn’t cut the outside at the angle of the Pyramid? A Oh, yeah. It was
perfectly smooth. There was no way you could climb it.
Q:
Was it 90% or was it like this?
RK:
51%, I think.
Q:
I’ve never seen it close up to see whether it’s actually stepped so there’s a
ledge at each course.
Q:
Each course has a ledge and each course is a different height. No two courses
are the same height. And there’s mathematical reasons for that which have a
mystical meaning which they created a mystical meaning for.
Q:
Aren’t the stones that the ruler removed, weren’t they made in reverse so that
it was straight up and down on the limestone?
RK:
Not vertical, It was at the 51% —
Q:
But I mean it wasn’t stepped then.
RK:
No.
Q:
It was stepped on the granite, but not on the limestone?
RK:
But each block of Tura limestone, its load was
compressing what was below it. They weren’t all stacked up on the slide where
they could slide off or anything like that.
Q:
They were stepped on the inside.
RK:
Right, from the inside and smooth on the outside at that angle. Some of those
blocks, as we saw, were still in there. It’s about 50 stories high.
Q:
Are we ever going to know how and why?
RK:
If you live long enough.
Q:
In my lifetime? I’m not going to give you any guarantees.
What is the Symbolism of
the Great Pyramid?
RK:
The reason why it was built in the first place, it’s a monument to man’s knowledge
of the world at that particular time. It face almost precisely— it’s within
just a couple of seconds of facing due east north and south—and west, also. But
the knowledge that they had of mathematics and of the dimensions of the world
are all incorporated in that particular structure. But then on the inside,
there was a place where—I don’t know that it’s necessarily of the Brotherhoods,
but people who have Brotherhood information—use that as a place of initiation,
and there’s a direct tie-in with all of the dimensions that have been
discovered in the Great Pyramid and what is know as the Book of the Dead.
And the Book of the Dead really has nothing to do with funerary types of
things; it has to do primarily with how many can elevate himself from being
just kind of like an animal to being kind of like an Angel, and all the steps
that are involved, They have all kinds of symbolic steps that a person went
through which was conducted in these various chambers, and that’s the reason
why there are chambers in there. The person actually climbed from chaos to the
King’s Chamber in a symbolic way, and as I said, that’s where initiation took
place. The Book of the Dead explains it pretty carefully. There are a
couple of books out in metaphysical book stores which explain the relationship
between the symbolism in the Pyramid and the steps of initiation in the Book
of Dead.
Why Are So Many Humans Still Like Animals?
Q:
We’re still like animals. How can we in this lifetime elevate ourselves to some
sort of place where we feel like we’ve pulled ourselves up out of the mud? You
have a handful of people who know about you and believe in what you believe in
or the Catholic Church or whatever it was. Look around you. All you have to do
is see the decay; it’s everyplace, I mean, you walk out here and you can be
mugged; you can be killed for no reason whatsoever, just because you’re human.
Animals don’t do this to their own species. But how have we elevated ourselves
in 2,000 years, 8,000 years or 10,000 years?
RK:
There have always been individuals who somehow or other made an oasis.
Q:
5, 10, 100? Millions?
RK:
More than that.
Q:
You’ve got to admit the percentage is pretty darned small.
RK:
Well, that’s true, but there are some.
Q:
What about the rest of us? We’re trying, we’re struggling and we’re not doing a
good job and we fall down, we get up again and—
RK:
Getting up again is what makes us human.
Q:
That’s true, but where does that put us in this scheme of things? How can we
even get to a decent human being?
RK:
You’re a decent human being, aren’t you?
Q:
Well, I think I am, but there are many things that I’ve done in my life that I wish
I had some of this information a long, long time ago. Like your children. But
it feels so hopeless when there are so many animal-type people out there.
RK:
And they’re growing more and more in numbers, too, unfortunately.
Q:
Yes, they’re growing more than the other kind, They can sin, and sin, and sin,
and go to confession and say, “Grant me absolution.” Okay, you can go out and
murder tomorrow. How is that fair? That doesn’t seem right.
RK:
Well, that all gets evened out karmically.
Q:
How come they can have a church that draws 8 million people and we’ve got ten
people here? How come so many people are sucked into that and they’re not
sucked into this?
RK:
Because it’s easier. In those cases, you aren’t required to do much. Just like
in The Hidden Christ. Well , look what happened between the Gnostics,
who lasted maybe a century, and the Catholic Church. The Gnostics didn’t grow
very fast, mainly because they demanded so much of the person who proved
himself to be worthy of the information that was provided by Christ, whereas
the other side said, “Well, all you have to do is say you believe, and you’re
saved.” Which one would you join?
Have Black Mentalists Ever Tried to Destroy Your [Richard]
Work?
Q:
Do you think that Black Mentalists have come in to destroy?
RK:
It doesn’t have to be Black Mentalists. Greed is all that’s required in many
cases to undo things that we’re doing. Look at these successful corporations
which are raided by—people take over the place and then bleed all of the assets
out of it and then just kind of spit out the shells, as it were. Here was a
company that provided work for a lot of people, provided materials that people
wanted in the world, and now the corporation’s gone. Somebody, at a discounted
price, as it were, managed to raid the place and take out all of the good stuff
for themselves. They got wealthy. The stockholders lost out because the
corporation just folded. So that’s the answer to a lot of things. It’s greed,
desire for power, jealousy, seeing something good being built.
Why Do the Brotherhoods Allow Crime to Continue?
Q:
Why would the Brotherhoods allow these kinds of people to get involved?
RK:
They have to.
Q:
They have to?
RK:
They have to allow them.
Q:
They have free will.
RK:
Right. Because there’s always an opportunity to go up rather than go down.
Where in the Bible Does It State That We Reincarnate?
Q:
Where in the Bible does it state that we reincarnate?
RK:
There’s no direct statement, bald faced, that comes
right out and says we’ve lived before or something. According to the Bible,
Christ made a very straight statement that John the Baptist had existed before
as Elijah.
Q:
He can do that, God? It doesn’t mean to say that everyone can reincarnate.
RK:
That’s a good argument against that particular point. But then there is also
the one statement where the Apostles asked Christ, said— they were looking at a
mind who was blind, and they asked the Master, “Who sinned that this man was
born blind? His parents or did he sin?” Now, how can somebody sin before they
were born unless they had lived at another time to sin? Fetuses do not sin, to
my knowledge.
Q:
Could it be the offspring, like a great uncle.
RK:
That’s why they asked the question. It was logical for them. It was that this
child was born blind as a punishment for something his parents had done. Was it
punishment for the parents, because obviously they couldn’t depend upon that
child to provide them with a living in their old age. It was going to be an
extra hardship to deal with him, teach him anything. So that could be
punishment. So that was part of their question, which one was it. In this
particular case, He says, This person was not born because of any sin of
himself or his parents; he was born in order to experience My healing upon him.
Sort of an indication. This Ego must have made a decision before he was born to
do that.
How Did Christ Make Himself Invisible?
Q:
Judas was the marketer, and there were so many times that Christ disappeared in
the crowd. I believe the reason he disappeared into the crowd was that he went
invisible because how could he get away from the crowd? But they could saw;
they could see He was invisible.
RK:
Who could see Him when He was invisible?
Q:
The disciples.
RK:
Making oneself invisible is something that most good hypnotists can do. They can
select who it is that is not going to be able to see them.
Q:
But thousands of people.
RK:
That’s called mass hypnotism. It can be done. There are people who can do it
today.
What
Was Judas’ Motivation for Betraying Christ?
Q:
What really confuses me about all that is that in prophecy, for thousands of
years, hundreds of years, even for John the Baptist to baptize Christ, that
there had to be a Judas. That wasn’t really fair on Judas. I don’t think so.
RK:
Judas wouldn’t have done it if he didn’t have a mind to do so in the first
place. According to my teachers, Christ also set up this whole process, even
unto stating what was going to happen in the future in the Pyramid of Gizeh,
predicting his own—the time of birth of Jesus and then the work that He would
do for three years that he was among mankind.
Q:
But what I’m saying is, Judas is looking at all this and said, “There’s no way
He’s going to be nailed on the cross.” I just feel it wasn’t fair on Judas.
RK:
Judas had to do it; he wasn’t manipulated into doing it. He had to agree to do
it. But Judas expressed -- there’s little bits where you can just hear what
Judas says. He was the one who kept the group purse, but he would also complain
about, Don’t give gifts away. If Martha wants to anoint you with these
expensive oils, that’s really not fair, we could sell it.
Q:
Was he the only one who was picked by the disciples? The group, the twelve?
RK:
No, Christ was the one who selected His close Apostles. There were many
disciples, but the twelve Apostles He selected from among those He saw around
Him. But Judas had an important part to play and became a tremendously bad
example, if nothing else. Maybe that’s some saving grace in some way. But one of
the things that the Church says was Judas’ big fault was the fact that he would
not accept the idea that he could be forgiven for his weakness. But there as
another reason, too, why Judas got involved. He belonged to a group called the
Assassins, which was a subgroup of the Zealots, and he was very disappointed
that Christ did not become the Messiah that he wanted Him to be, or envisioned
Him to be. Indeed, there were hundreds of thousands of Jews at that time who
were waiting for somebody like King David to come back and lead them to freedom
from the Roman occupation. Judas was definitely one of those who was looking to
Christ to be that kind of a leader, and when Christ over and over again was
being kindly, saving people from sickness and from death, what have you, that
was all pretty miraculous but it wasn’t seeming to get anywhere to overthrowing
the Romans, and for that reason Judas was very much disappointed and said, you
know, this is a great healer, but this is not the Messiah. And because of that kind
of thinking, it allowed him to turn Jesus over to the authorities.
Why Was Christ Feared By the Authorities?
Q:
There were those in political power who felt very threatened by His position
and they were afraid that if He was going to start a revolution, it would
either end up with the Romans killing all the Jews out of reaction or that He
was just trying to throw out the present rulers, the Jewish rulers. In any
event, they saw Him as a dangerous seditionary.
Sometimes He goes around and gathers huge crowds and sometimes He has people
going around giving secret instructions on when the revolution was going to
start. They had great fears along those lines.
What Is Your [Richard’s] View of Jesus?
Q:
What’s your interpretation of Christ? I haven’t read the books my wife has.
What’s your opinion on that?
RK:
I cannot know as an absolute by myself; I have to go by what my Teachers tell
me, and over the decades I have come to find that what They tell me is pretty
reliable. Their position of it is that He was an Archangel and His job was to
borrow Jesus’ body, as a human being, and during a three and one-half year
period bring forth the information and a demonstration of how human beings
should be to the people in
Q:
So, you are saying He was born as a human being like you and I—
RK:
That was a human Ego which gave up the use of His body to an
Did Jesus Know What His Mission Would Be?
Q:
Do you think He knew that He was the Son of God when He was Jesus?
RK:
Jesus knew what his task was going to be.
Q:
From day one.
RK:
Well, maybe from the time He was a teenager. I think it is a pretty heavy load to
put on anybody who is young, but even if as a Master They
would have a remembrance of why they were there.
Q:
Because He was perfect?
RK:
He was a human being who had risen to the point of being a Master, which means
knowing all there is to know of the first four planes of existence. That is
almost like a God, so far as you and I are concerned. To rub up against such an
individual, obviously, there is something special about Him. You would not
necessarily know what He was. There was a kindness and a strength that was very
attractive to everybody who accounted Him, men, women and children. People
wanted to be around Him. He was comfortable to be around. But at the same time
as Christ then took over and operated through Him, Christ told it like it is.
What it is that human beings had to do, how they had to improve themselves, if
they wanted to see Jerusalem be a holy nation, these are these thing that you
need to do.
Q:
So you are saying Christ is the Holy Spirit, like the Holy Spirit ?
RK:
We have to get back to basics here. When a person becomes a saint, they are
entitled to belong to a group called the Brotherhood, which is the Brotherhood
of Saints, This group of individuals who have risen to the point where they are
naturally clairvoyant, they just do more good than they do harm in the world,
and they have a balanced personality, they are entitled to be a saint, and
saints are pretty much the same if they come up from Africa, Asia or the New
World, what it takes in order to be a saint and work for the uplift of other
human beings, those basic requirements are pretty much the same. So every
religion in the world, not even having anything to do with Christianity,
Judaism, what have you, recognize certain types of individuals as being saints.
There’s not a lot of them around, but they have been recognized.
Q:
Like Mother Teresa, that type thing?
RK:
Yeah, a person like that. I don’t know that Mother
Teresa is a saint.
Q:
They call her a saint.
RK:
Well, she’s Catholic, and she can’t become a saint until she’s been dead for
about 50 years, then they have to have all kinds of tests to see if she will
qualify. She may be a saint. As a matter of fact, most people who are saints
are not recognized as such by any church.
Q:
It’s just that there’s Mother Teresas in all
organizations.
RK:
Right, and sometimes without organizations. They wander around and do good
wherever they go. People always seem to be attracted to them for just that reason.
When these groups of individuals who organize themselves in what they call the
Brotherhoods—it has nothing to do with what country they live in, or what
language they speak or what race they are—they all work together. Christianity
recognizes a Communion of Saints. A communication existed between all of them
because they are telepathic as well as being clairvoyant. Now, those people are
the ones who are involved in helping Christ uplift mankind, All of those
individuals who, let’s say, became acquainted with what the overall plan was,
and there are probably as many or more saints living today as there were back
in those days, with all the Indian an Chinese civilizations going on in those
days, that group of people knew that there was an overall plan for Christ to
uplift mankind, and this Archangel was actually going to be here and act as a
kind of a spur or an inspiration to a lot of people to change their way of
living. to emulate Him in many ways. That didn’t mean they had to heal
everybody, but then again, there were many people who—
Q:
But they had to live a virtuous life, right?
RK:
Right, and what is virtuous is not necessarily what various churches say is
virtue, Virtue is being human and assisting children and people who need
inspiration and people who need health restored to them, and even being kind to
dogs and cats. These groups of Brotherhoods of Saints are the ones, really, who
are holding the world together, as it were. You were talking, maybe there’s
only a handful. There’s only 10,000 Brothers in the United States—North
America, the United States and Canada. 10,000. That means that proportionately
there’s only 100 in the Dallas Metroplex.
Q:
That seems like quit a bit, from what I can see. Those are the higher-ups.
What’s under them? Just the average kind of guys?
RK:
Right. But you can become a saint.
Q:
In my lifetime?
RK:
You have a lot of time left. A lot of people say, Well, gee, I made a lot of
mistakes. That’s how we learn, is by making dumb mistakes. It’s part of the
learning process, and that really drives home a point, you know, when you do
something which brings karmic repercussions. That’s our method of learning.
It’s through experience that we learn, What we read about is just information,
What we experience is knowledge, and knowledge is what we carry over with us
Egoically forever. Nobody can convince us of another way once we know what
really works.
Q:
If I’ve lived before, all of these other lives, and I ain’t
made it yet, how can I do it this time?
RK:
But you don’t know.
Q:
I’m sure if I was born this time and I was a saint, I’d know it, wouldn’t I? I
would know it if I was an Adept, I would know it if I was a Master?
RK:
Do you know anything about any of the histories of some of the Catholic saints?
Was Saint Francis of Assisi A Real Saint?
Q:
No, sir. I don’t believe in the Catholic religion.
RK:
Well, that doesn’t mean that you can’t read about them. There’s a St. Francis
of Assisi who is probably one of the more revered saints among the Catholics,
and he started out in his young twenties as a wastrel. Because he was born into
Italian nobility, he put on armor and went to battle and slew the enemy,
whoever—if somebody said that was the enemy, he went out and killed as many as
he could before he got himself killed. He ended up being practically the patron
saint of animals and birds.
Q:
How could he be a saint if he murdered? Was he just a saint in the eyes of the
people? Or was he really a saint?
RK:
Well, he changed. One day he had a vision and it just totally changed his life.
He threw away his armor and he threw away his rank in the nobility, He was
considered a coward by his fellow soldiers. He had to endure all kinds of
negative publicity, as it were, but he decided that he would devote his life to
the preservation of life in any form, and he totally changed his life. And
ultimately he passed all the tests in order to qualify. He had the devil’s
court, where an advocate of the devil tried to say all the things they could to
say this guy couldn’t be a saint because of this and that and what have you,
and then those who were advocates for the individual who was trying to be
canonized. This usually takes months. Getting to be recognized as a saint in
the Catholic religion is not very easy. As a matter of fact, all the old
martyrs who used to be considered saints were thrown out of sainthood, I guess
about twenty, twenty-five years ago, and they made a clear distinction between
people who were martyrs and those who actually did things to…
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If
they died in pain mimicking their Savior on the cross, then they would immediately
be transported to the highest heaven. So they were happy to go that way. Most
of them figured they were sinners and they didn’t know of any other way to get
there, so they were happy to be thrown to the lions.
Q:
Do they have groups in the United States of people?
RK:
They may. Getting back to your story, I was involved with the very specific job
of trying to set up a new city-state, which after the turn of the century would
be the core of what would eventually become the Nation of God. That’s my
specific job. That’s why I’ve been, I guess, in training, whether I knew it or
not, or trying to set up cities, design and build them and people that would
function in the ways that, say, would be in accord with the ideals expressed in
The Ultimate Frontier. And there are people who are still doing that in
Stelle. They just don’t like the idea of having anybody tell them what to do.
Q:
Do we still have a timetable on that?
RK:
On Stelle?
Q:
On your job.
RK:
Well, in 1988 is when I was supposed to actually acquire the usage of the
Q:
It’s not in this country then.
RK:
Right, it’s not in
What Is the Deadline for Philadelphia?
Q:
Do we know if there’s a deadline? Is there a deadline of the year 2000?
RK:
Yes, there’s definitely a deadline of 2000.
Has the Philadelphia Island Timetable Been Setback?
Q:
So you’re working to that. Why have the Brotherhoods set you back two years?
RK:
I don’t think they set me back. The Adelphi Organization managed to wrest
itself free of the people who were trying to take over so I’m a member of The
Adelphi Organization and the president is sitting right behind you.
Q:
So you don’t believe that this was a setback?
RK:
It was definitely a setback. I’ve felt definitely set back.
Couldn’t the Brotherhoods Just Build
Philadelphia?
Q:
There’s nothing the Brotherhoods could do to help you get out of it?
RK:
Well, you see, the Brotherhoods are not going to do this. They already know how
to do all of this stuff and they don’t have to do it. But there’s a whole group
of people who have to come together in order to make it happen, and they have
to see the advantages to themselves in order to feel inspired to put forth the
effort. Now, we’re gong to need all kinds of technology. Not expensive
technology, but lots of different kinds of thing which we know about and have
been gathering. The Island is pure and simple a rock and sand, and most of the
sand is loaded with salt. So it is not a place which is, as you might say, a
Garden of Eden, because nothing grows there.
How Will We Grow Food on the Island of
Philadelphia?
Q:
How will we survive?
RK:
Well, we can all find ways of growing our own things that we want to eat.
Everybody will have a greenhouse , and some people will do so commercially. And
then we will also have hydroponics.
Q
How will we grow in sand, if there’s no earth?
RK:
Hydroponics. We won’t grow anything in the earth. Do you know what hydroponics
is?
Q:
No, sir.
RK:
It’s a means of growing plant without soil, and you have all the nutrients that
the plant needs in the form of various salts in solution, and the solution is
either sprayed on the roots or is planted in some very neutral item.
Q:
In a liquid?
RK:
Yes.
How Will You Get Drinking Water for the Island?
Q:
That doesn’t go against God’s Plan, then. I mean, he gave us this earth to grow
things to nourish our bodies.
RK:
No. And we have a whole ocean to get water out of and we are able to desalinate
it through different means, some of which require no energy whatsoever other
than the sun. So there are ways in which you can live. You’ve been to Israel.
You’ve seen what hey can do out of the desert by using drip irrigation, And
they made areas where they decided to install these techniques. They made a
garden out of what was just plain sand and tumbleweeds. We can do that, too.
Q:
If there is a holocaust and everything is polluted, the oceans are
polluted—they’re polluted now.
RK:
You distill the water.
Q:
And how many people are you going to do this for?
RK:
There will have to be at least a quarter million.
Why Spend Money on Adelphi When Philadelphia Is
the Goal?
Q:
You won’t just let anybody in though, will you?
RK:
Oh, no. But see, the first stage of this project is being put together here in
Texas right now. We’ve got roads in for thirty acres, we have our own well, our
own sewage treatment plant.
Q:
Why are you spending money on this one when we really need to take the money
and get this island?
RK:
But there are people who need to be trained, and to move out on the
Q:
And you don’t have that many types of people here, right?
RK:
Right now—
Q:
Are we going to need medical personnel?
RK:
Right. All those kinds of people.
Q:
Isn’t it in one of the books I read somewhere that a lot of the medical
personnel in the world are of a low vibration or something?
RK:
You didn’t read that from me. We’ve had a number of doctors living in Stelle,
who were involved in The Stelle Group. We thought they were pretty neat folks.
Was
There a High-Tech Greenhouse in Stelle?
Q:
I’ve sprouted beans on paper towels.
RK:
Well, this is much the same way. Out at Stelle they had a system where they had
a very large greenhouse up there, and they had a person who was growing lettuce
and the lettuce just hung in the air, and it was total, without any kind of
soil. It wasn’t in sand, or vermiculite or anything like that. But the roots
were kept in the dark and they were sprayed on a regular basis, several times a
day, with the solution. And then it dripped back down into the pan and the
solution would be carried off and pumped back again at another time. It’s great
lettuce. I was allowed to pluck a few out of there just to see how they were.
They tasted just exactly the same, just as nutritious, and yet there was no
soil, no insects, It just goes to show that you can grow anything, provided it
has the nutrients. It doesn’t have to be in the soil.
Q:
Can you tell me a little bit about Stelle? We were going to stop there on our
way here, and we had to go a different direction. But is that a complete
community and self-sufficient?
RK:
Not self-sufficient. 125 people, approximately.
Q:
So can I make this correlation, that you’ve been doing this since in the ‘60’s
and you have yet to build one community that’s self-sufficient?
RK:
Uh-huh.
Q:
How can you possibly take an island that you haven’t purchased yet and have it
ready for people in nine years?
RK:
With the modern miracle of money. That’s the only way it can happen.
What Kind of Person Would Be Interested in Philadelphia?
Q:
Then you’re talking to the wrong group of people. You’ve got to be talking to
millionaires. Because they’re the people—you can go round, hand to mouth, and
tell your relatives and so on, but it won’t do it; it won’t cut it. You’ve got
to get some people who have the big bucks.
RK:
I agree. I think that if a person has $50,000 that they can come up with,
mostly by selling their home or their property that they have, they would be
able to build for considerably less than what their house would cost in this
country and have a very pleasant home and be able to partake of the things that
everybody else is doing to built. Let me say that the person that we need to
appeal to are the person who say, I need a challenge. I grow up in the city and
everything is here already. My job is one where I hope to put together enough
money so I can retire and send my kids to college, the American dream, nice
car. And for many people, that is not enough. They need a frontier to challenge
them and they want one. There’s no places for them, no places where they can be
free to try the different things that they want to do. There are people who
have great ideas and they could be put into commercial use except that there
are many—you say, “Well, you’re going to go into competition that we’ve set
up.” We’ve got hundreds of millions, or maybe billions, invested in. That’s
going to put a lot of people out of work if you come up with this great new
idea, so those great ideas are suppressed.
Q:
Who is going to control this? Is there going to be like a president or your own
country ruled by who?
RK:
Well, it will be a city-state. That’s the best way to think of it. I have to
work within the constraints of another country so they won’t put much effort
into trying to—
Q:
But who will rule it?
RK:
The people who are involved will be the ones who—