Public Meeting
February 2002
Introduction
Richard:
An explanation for those of you who haven’t been here before, this is strictly
a question-and-answer session; I don’t give a lecture. So the audience controls
where things go. I wish I could control which way my tongue goes. I guess we
can start, if anyone has a question, burning or otherwise. Otherwise, this is
going to be one of the shortest meetings we’ve had in a long time. Yes, sir.
Question:
Richard, I have a question regarding time and reincarnation. Since Angels know
all that there is to know between the beginning and the end on the timeline, is
it conceivable that we reincarnate always at a future date, or do we have the
option of possibly going back to review things that we need to do to advance on
the timeline?
Richard:
You mean to incarnate backwards? I just want to know what you mean.
Question:
For example, I look out at the life today, and I say to myself, “Well, I have
done all these things to the best of my ability, and yet there were so many
more things and so many more options I’d like to do.” Would I have the choice of
possibly repeating that to add or subtract and do things to make it better, or
do we always go forward?
Richard:
No, it has to go forward. But you can do all the reviewing you want up there
with lots of help to understand. So it’s not a closed book. You don’t get a
chance to wipe out an incarnation by substituting another one for it. So you
make your corrections in the future. You have a lot more incarnations to go.
Question:
The reason why I asked that question was that it seems to me that in order to
make Master, you’ve got to know so much. How can a person who reached
Mastership in the 16th Century be compared to someone reaching Mastership
today? Wouldn’t the Master be that much more advanced because of all of the
knowledge, the background, all of the information we have available today?
Richard:
You’re talking about the 16th Century?
Question:
Yes. Just as an example.
Richard:
By the time you’re an Adept, you pretty well understand the basic science of
the Universe very well.
Question:
Even without having been exposed to that knowledge in that particular time
period?
Richard:
Well, it wasn’t available in the sciences, but was available in the awareness
of many people who were already Adepts and Masters. So there is where your real
Teachers are, once you get into the Adept stage. When the very, very first
people started becoming Adepts, it didn’t take too much longer after that that
They were Masters. There was no science to secure information about how the
Universe is put together at that time at all, but They knew it because They
were able to penetrate. When They started out, They had Angels actually
operating on the planet in the guise of human beings to pass along that
information to those who were nearing the point of becoming Masters. So we’re
supposed to be able to penetrate all of this stuff Erotically; as a matter of
fact, it’s a lot easier to penetrate it Erotically than it is mentally. We’re
just supposed to, by Nature, from knowing nothing to eventually making
____________ into clairvoyance and from that point being able to see what’s
happening elsewhere than just on the physical plane. And that’s a great eye opener.
Scary at first, I’m sure, but a great eye opener. So it’s the sophistication
today and the strong way in which people are imprinted from childhood as to
what the Universe is supposed to be according to various and sundry authorities
that makes it very difficult to see or to break through into things that seem
to be counter to what you’ve been taught all your life. At the beginning there
was no such sophistication, no such authoritative rules; you believed what you
saw, not what you thought you were supposed to see. So that made it a lot
easier. The vast number of people who became Adepts and Masters during the
Lemurian civilization is almost hard to believe, but everything was set up for
it. From infancy, people were exposed to, and expected, to understand things
that are closed to us today. But they were the things that moved you to high
advancement. I’m not going to say that someone made it to Adeptship in two or
three incarnations; that’s really not possible. But they already had half a
million years of incarnating before the Lemurian civilization got started, so
there’s a lot of things they knew already Erotically. Possibly you’re concerned
about how much stuff you’re going to have to learn to become a Master. You’re
going to be surprised how much you know after you go through transition that
the Ego has absorbed from literally thousands of other incarnations unless you
know by having impressed on this brain that you have right now. There are
plenty of people who don’t know anything, and probably never will. For the next
seven thousand years, they just haven’t trained their brains or their Minds to
absorb the things that they need to absorb. They manage to slough off
everything and live off others’ preparations in the way of culture. But if you
have the incentive and you want to be free of this cycle of rebirth over and
over again, you’ll make it pretty fast. You don’t know how far along you are.
All kids are pretty much the same. They all go through the same stages of
goofiness and ultimately make it to adulthood. But, boy, there’s a lot of stuff
that they know. And if they can bring it forward in this incarnation, they’re
going to be way ahead of the game so far as everybody else in the
society-at-large is concerned. And some are just goofy. Yes, sir.
Question:
It sounds like you were implying there that before the formation of the
Brotherhoods there wasn’t much organized effort on the part of the more
advanced human beings to construct or help the ones of less advancement; is
that true?
Richard:
Yes. It wasn’t set up for it. After some Angelic imposition given to forming a
civilization to carry on what people already knew in small pockets here and
there, the dissemination of information, so it didn’t die with each inventor.
You know, somebody would invent something here and somebody would figure out
something there. Maybe it got used by a family or a couple of people around
them, then that was a hit. There once was a time when the Rhu Hut Plains were
being set up when the first occupation of the Rhu Hut Plains occurred, there
was a whole bunch of people incarnated near to one another who had, for lack of
a better word, been inventors of one thing or another. And they brought all of
those people together so they could share their ideas. And somebody came up
with, “Here’s a need. How are we going to solve this problem? One of them had
already solved it. It was that kind of demand which sparked an awareness of
remembrance of what you had done in a prior incarnation. So in that generation,
when they first moved onto the Rhu Hut Plains, there were hundreds of people
who incarnated, each to bring their invention together at that particular time,
and it worked. So there was a plan. Somebody figured out, “Hey, let’s get these
people together. We as Higher Beings can’t do it for them.” But then things got
set up. Within a thousand years, we were ready to have an
Question:
You say they incarnated to solve those problems, they were aware of this plan
on the Astral Plane?
Richard:
Yes, right.
Question:
And then they specifically incarnated because they brought a particular skill
or ability to that particular question or problem?
Richard:
Right. No guarantee it would come forth; but if you’re not there, it’s not
likely to happen.
Question:
So it sounds like there wasn’t really a natural tendency for people to organize
in a structure like a civilization; it sounds like that was something that was
introduced as sort of a new concept then.
Richard:
Well, it had occurred in families.
Question:
But not on a larger scale?
Richard:
Not on a larger scale. And there were neighbors. It was much easier to work
with several neighbors who were also tending flocks or cattle rather than doing
everything by yourself. But for the most part, you know, when did they start
making pottery? I don’t know. It sure was a heck of a long time before they
cast metal pots. They had to cook in something; I don’t know what they cooked in.
Sea shells or something. But they always needed something better than what they
had. Necessity is the mother of invention.
Question:
But that’s a tremendous contrast to the way the world is today, so interdependent
with so much _____________________.
Richard:
And I don’t decry the interdependence. It forces us to get along with one
another because we need one another. It’s hard to get rid of somebody you need.
So that whole thing you grew up to recognizing it was good to stick together as
a family. A family really consisted of a mother and her children. After a
while, men started hanging around, because there always seemed to be food being
prepared.
Question:
I was going to ask what John had already confirmed. The plans for the
civilization in Lemuria existed on the Astral Plane, and those people actually
had the desire to coalesce together and incarnate together, so they all planned
this.
Richard:
It’s very logical to me that they were all presented with this idea and Higher
Beings explained what the advantages would be and how to move forward. And keep
incarnating and doing the same thing over and over again and you’re not really
getting that far. Maybe you’re learning interpersonal skills, which is pretty
important. But no technology. Somebody came up with how to weave. Actually, it
was the Elders who taught the first women coming in how to weave, so they
didn’t have to wear skins all the time. Tanning skins was a great invention.
But some people just wore the skins that they cut off the animal; you could
always smell them coming. But then when they had woven cloth, that was a big
thing. And can you imagine the satisfaction of having someone say, “This cloth
is awfully hard to cut. So why don’t we take two knives and splice the ends to
one another.” And somebody says, “We just invented scissors.” Now, that’s a
simple thing, to have two knives work together, particularly when those knives
are made out of stone. But that was the first step. You had to learn how to
make a flat surface and do all the beveling on just one side instead of two
sides and have the two surfaces slide together on the flat area and cut the
cloth. And learning how to cut down trees and how to use them as lumber instead
of cutting everything into logs. Make inventions. Hard work. Somebody had to
make a saw. They soon had to learn how to bend obsidian into ____________ in
order to make a saw. That’s a big thing, and it really works. And they figured
out what they could do with copper; if they could hammer it together and shape
it just about any way they wanted to, if they banged it long enough with a
couple of stones, and make saws out of that. That’s another big thing.
Incredibly simple, primitive kinds of things. But when they were invented, it
changed technology. But it was still a lot of work. Using a saw like that, it
would take days to reduce a log into something like points. But if nothing
else, they had plenty of time . They weren’t on any time clocks.
Question:
Richard, where do you see us in the time scale of the end-time scenario? And
how do you think the events of September 11 may relate to that?
Richard:
I do too much reading to accept September 11 as being a plot by Bin Laden.
Unfortunately, rogue members of our government who were set up to go over
different kinds of plans to destabilize the country and mostly to be able to
enforce very strict rules on everybody. I was just reading about there’s a
company in Indianapolis that produces a small flying disc, about so big, and
they can fly it silently and can go up about 500 feet. They’re primarily
designed to be at about fifty feet. And its ability to spy is incredible, and
it can actually come right down to your face and ask you questions and as you
to show identification to it and report anything and everything that you don’t
want to have anybody know about. Those things cost about a third of million
each; but it’s so incredibly sophisticated that you can control the population
without having any difficulty whatsoever. The amount of money that we’re
spending to kill people over in Afghanistan is just so far—each member of the Taliban that we kill costs about $9 million. $3 million for
each person we capture. In order to get rid of all of the terrorists it costs
like $4 quadrillion. We’ll be broke long before then. So somewhere along the
line, we’re going to say, let’s live with the risk just like we had for the
past 200 years. And those who get picked off get picked off, and then they can
continue without being broken economically. I hope that’s what they do. For the
most part, we have been pretty civil in this country. And I’d hate for it to be
turned into a police state over September 11. But I don’t really think that has
much to do with the end times. I keep hearing from all different quadrants that
what we thought was going to happen in 2000 is not going to be any later than
2012. And there are various stages of that, in-between now and then. So we’ll
have to see. At the present time, I do not have a direct answer from the
Teachers as to what the answer is going to be. So we’ll do the best we can with
what we’ve got in the interim and try to alert people as to what’s going to
happen.
Question:
How is it these discs control people? Is it key people in the population that
they interrogate or just frighten people into compliance with existing
paradigms?
Richard:
Any way they can be surveilled, absolutely. You can’t begin to hear them until
they’re about ten feet away. And they work day and night just as well. The
nighttime images are almost as clear as the daytime images. So if you have half
a million of these things floating around out there, I think it would be
awfully hard for criminals to get away with much. Unfortunately, most of the
criminals are in the Department of Injustice.
Question:
You said recently that you had the impression that there are a number of
members of the Brotherhoods that are actively involved in industry and the
military and government. They’re kind of helping hold things together. Can you
give us some idea of how you get that impression?
Richard:
I don’t know if you’ve heard much about the intelligence community—the CIA and
the Offices of Naval Intelligence. There are two factions within those groups,
called Faction 1, which is for the international bankers who are trying to
establish a New World Order, and there’s Faction 2, which is trying to oppose
that plan. Faction 2 is what inspired some people who are so honest in the
judiciary to start the acronym law, NESARA, and that
plan is to completely revise the legislative and executive branches to get back
entirely to the Constitution as it was originally. It’s interesting to note
that there’s a female member of the Supreme Court, which is one of the
principal pushers for these reformations under NESARA,
and Colin Powell, who is the Secretary of State, and who has tried to be
ignored as much as possible by the Bush administration so far as taking advice
from him as opposed to others. That process is being backed by a lot of people
in the military and in the judiciary. But they’re not powerful enough to
completely eliminate Faction 1’s plans to bring about the New World Order. NESARA was supposed to be declared last year, but the
popularity of President Bush at the present time makes it rather difficult to
pull that off, and we’re also in the process of a war against terrorism,
whatever that means. So things are kind of being held back for a bit. Somewhere
in the next year or so, we’ll probably get NESARA. As
I understand it, every member of Congress, the Senate and the House have signed
resignations from their office without a date, to be activated under NESARA. And the same goes for Bush and all the elected
members of his administration. And I understand that there is a U.S. marshal
who goes everywhere that the President goes, and at the moment it is decided is
going to be activated, he’ll put Bush under arrest. And he has a warrant to do
so; and of course, as soon as that happens, it activates his resignation.
Essentially, the President’s father is now serving his fourth term as
president. He essentially acted as president when he was vice prescient, and
then of course, he served one term as president in his own right, and he’s back
to being in charge again now. And Faction 1 of the CIA obeys his orders. And
there’s all kind of clandestine assassinations going on against people on both
sides. I don’t know how that’s going to end up. So I guess there’s hope. I
don’t know which way we as private individuals can get involved in this. There
doesn’t seem to be any provision set aside for doing so. And of course, the
press has a great deal to do with determining the popularity of certain
philosophies in the government and the leaders in the government. And that’s
another force that has to be reckoned with. It’s very hard to come by any
truth. So does that make any sense for you?
Question:
Yes. I can gather a few pieces that I didn’t understand. You’re saying that
Colin Powell is a proponent of NESARA? One of its
advocates?
Richard:
Right.
Question:
Are there others?
Richard:
Lots of generals and former generals and admirals who are 100 percent for going
back to the Constitution. They’re in a position to see the skullduggery that is
going on. A lot of this information is just reserved to people in the highest
offices. And that’s why they’re so concerned. Officers who support NESARA, too, have been knocked off at an alarming rate.
Some big names—remember the whole plane load of admirals and generals that were
going to arrest Clinton for treason, and somehow or other, their plane blew up
over Louisiana or Alabama. So some of them have moved to Europe and are working
together from Europe rather than being exposed to things in this country.
Because somebody is leaking their secrets.
Question:
They’re living in Europe with the approval of the European hosts?
Richard:
I don’t know that Europeans know what the heck they’re doing. They’re just
living there; that’s all.
Question:
If someone is leaking their secrets, it seems like remote viewing is pretty
common now; just about anybody can be taught it. It seems like that would be a
means of surveillance; wouldn’t it?
Richard:
Yes, it’s another way. Vivaxis is another way. You remember how that works.
It’s hard to have secrets.
Question:
So, Richard, what you’re saying is that there may be hope that we’ll have this
government restored to its rightful ownership, the people, like people in the
government, who care?
Richard:
Right now, it’s the judiciary that’s doing the most to undermine justice in
this country. They’re the ones who—the payoffs are great. I don’t think it’s a
secret anymore that the CIA is the biggest drug dealer in the world. They’re
dealing with money in the billions all the time, and there’s plenty to spread
around to those they want to control who are in the highest positions. Federal
judges are incredibly corrupt. Now, they will go along with the law and with
the lawyers on the vast majority of cases; but every so often, somebody gets
involved with a big name or works for somebody with a big name, and those
people are essentially protected from just about anything they want to do. And
it’s now spreading to the state and local judges. They say, “Well, they can get
away with it. Are they going to give us a hard time? Let’s join them.” So that
means that justice just simply doesn’t exist at certain levels. And that can
extend to any one of us. I was reading an analysis of that by a mean who has
been studying the process, and he says anybody who is a federal government target,
whoever they are, is going to serve jail time. It doesn’t make any difference
what defense you put up; you’re going to jail.
Question:
Whether you did anything wrong.
Richard:
Right. Whether you did anything wrong or not. And one of the principal
techniques they use by the judges is declaring the inadmissability
of evidence that supports your innocence. They say, “That is not admissible;
that is not admissible.” And the prosecutor is just smacking his lips. “This is
like shooting fish in a barrel.” And it’s just exactly that. So anyone can be
picked up at any time, accused of anything. And if they decide they really want
you put away, no matter what reason—maybe you irritated somebody—you can do
incredible length of time, and it has nothing to do with reality or justice.
When there is no justice, there is no civil peace. And that’s precisely what
happened in China, and it didn’t take very long before somebody said, “Enough
is enough. We’re going to overthrow this thing.” And there was somebody who,
because he was a communist sympathizer, was able to go to another country and
say, “I need money to take over this country.” They say, “Well, great. How many
guns to you want, and where do you want them?” And that’s what happens. You
have a civil war, and nobody wants a civil war, because it takes a generation
to recover from a civil war. It took France three or four generations to
recover from the Revolution. So for somebody to say, “Well, all this in the
name of power and money; it’s worth it for me at this time to take a
___________ and screw the next generation.” But there are ways also of
convincing people who don’t want to do that at all by putting them into
compromising situations and then bribing them to go the directions they want
them to go or else. We have that problem with Enron Corporation. And the kind
of thinking amongst some of the executives of that corporation, most of whom, I
think, lied to the president of the corporation, or concealed things. They
said, “We’ve got that solved; we’ve got that solved.” He said, “Oh, great. How
did you do it?” “Well, it’s complicated.” And then they enrich themselves by
all kinds of little side deals in the process and pick up a few million dollars
for themselves, the great strategy being when people have lost confidence in
the reporting of the value of the corporation, people will start dumping their
stock. Now the stock is less than a dollar a share, and the value of the assets
are far exceeding that; far exceeding that. But people won’t buy the stock,
which means that all the people who had their life savings and retirement plans
tied up in that, lost everything. Just confidence. the same thing can happen to
a nation. People lose confidence if you really have it together economically, a
country like ours where the currency is based entirely on the faith in the
administration of the country, if people’s faith in that system is shaken, then
Enron could be the beginning of the _________ that comes out. Then people
aren’t going to accept the dollar, and that’s going to leave the United States
in one difficult spot. And since we’re in the United States, that means it’s
going to happen to us. So what obligation do we have to say, “Enough is enough
already?” And then can we stay out of jail long enough to be heard? Once they
put you in jail, anything you have to say is considered suspect, so they know
how to silence anybody that’s protesting. All fun and games at the moment, and
I don’t know where it’s going, but if the earth changes are going to occur in
the next ten years, it couldn’t happen soon enough. It may be about the only
thing that saves us all. But then we have to deal with warlords, which should
be even more fun.
Question:
____________ the Queen of England bought property in Colorado near the Denver
Airport, to be like a home base to those who would take over this neck of the
woods after earth changes to maintain the British Empire, so to speak? Do you
think there’s any legitimacy to those claims?
Richard:
That’s possible. The Queen of England already owns approximately half of the
real estate in Manhattan. That’s a fairly lucrative piece of real estate. But
that’s been acquired by the Crown over the last 250 years. I happen to know a
fellow out in Los Angeles that I became friends with, and it was his job for
many years to carry the accounting of how much she was supposed to be
collecting in rents for the property in Manhattan. And he said, I’m sworn not
to say how much, but the number of billions of dollars that she receives every
year from all the rents in Manhattan is just absolutely mind-boggling. Now, her
ownings are not limited to Manhattan; that’s for
sure. I haven’t heard that she purchased an airport; or what she the one who
built it? Do you happen to know?
Question:
I got that from the internet; I don’t remember the author’s name. Alexandria
Christopher. It was an interview with her discussing the World Order topic.
Richard:
There’s a lot of spooky occult stuff in the lower levels of that airport, if
you want to go down there and take a look at them.
Question:
She mentioned that; the cornerstone has a lot of symbolism.
Richard:
I’m talking spooky, spooky. Really negative occults. Presumably these are even
lower levels, that are secret. Why did it take so long to build that place? Why
was it so incredibly expensive? It’s not only what’s been built above ground;
there’s a whole bunch of other stuff involved in that place. So I wouldn’t
doubt that she or her son have gotten involved in that part of the world.
Maurice Strong owns a lot of stuff in that area. He’s the one who has been
promoting things through the U.N. to divest anybody of private property.
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Question:
You’re saying there’s a possibility that Enron’s collapse could be the plug
that pulls them out of the financial situation in the United States. That would
undercut NESARA if it happens; won’t it?
Richard:
I don’t know which way that would go. It could go either way.
Question:
A couple of follow-ups on that. Since Colin Powell is apparently an advocate of
that, that makes him a target of the other forces; doesn’t it?
Richard:
Yes.
Question:
He’s in danger, apparently.
Richard:
Yes. He has body guards with him all the time.
Question:
One other question. You said that there’s a marshal that travels with Bush
everywhere he does?
Richard:
Yes, U.S. Marshall.
Question:
Is Bush aware of that?
Richard:
I’m sure it drives him crazy. I hope it does.
Question:
Knowing that he’s one step away from being arrested.
Richard:
Right.
Question:
So there’s that faction of our own government that’s trying to correct the
matter.
Richard:
Right. See, the problem is people are hired to work at some job in the government;
not necessarily elected. Because very very, few
people in comparison to people who are just hired to work in the government.
All the bureaucracies are manned by individuals who were hired. They are in
positions of power and they start doing all kinds of stuff on their own. And
they get to write laws which get placed in the Federal Register and not
reviewed by Congress for thirty days becomes U.S. law. Nobody ever legislated
it. Nobody ever reviewed it. It just becomes part of law.
Question:
Rule by decree.
Richard:
Correct. And those things are worded in ways which add to the income of the
people who word it. And also the power goes along with it. Just about every
person who works for the federal government—people who work in the Parks Service
and what have you are now authorized to carry guns, side arms. Even IRS agents
can carry side arms for self-protection.
Question:
And if you get blasted by one of them, the corrupt courts, they’re
automatically essentially absolved of any responsibility.
Richard:
Right. And so are the people who are the perpetrators. So it’s legalized
gangsters. And the example I gave before, that’s exactly what happened in Shang Chi Shek, China. That
country was difficult to get people to trial, because they usually ended up,
their head was in one place and their body was in another. Just right on the
spot. They’d pick somebody up, they’d take what they want; the guy complains
and out comes the sword. That worried people. If you’re driving along the
highway and get stopped by a police officer, he examines the inside of your car
and your wallet, and he says, “Hey, you’ve got $1,500.00 in cash in here. I’m
afraid that only people who are involved in drug trade carry that kind of cash.
I’ll have to impound it. I’ll probably have to impound your car, too.”
Question:
You’re saying the Fourth Amendment has been gutted, essentially.
Richard:
Yeah. It’s just words on a piece of paper. So that’s what happens to a system
in a few short years.
Question:
What’s the process by which this NESARA idea is
implemented? How is that possible if the New World Order knows about it?
Richard:
The complete text is available on the internet. If you want to read the entire
text of the law, which was passed several years ago, it is available out there.
It’s not a secret, but hardly anybody knows about it.
Question:
How can they possibly implement it? I thought the people that advocate the New
World Order control everything in the government.
Richard:
There’s been a lot of skullduggery brought about by Faction 1, which has been
blocked by Faction II recently. The biggest thing was gold had been called from
Europe and the Orient that essentially was stolen from the United States by
clever accounting by international bankers. And the gold has been brought back
to the United States. This is something that was occurring three or four years
ago. We heard about it kind of underground, but plenty of people seemed to be
aware that trillions of dollars’ worth of gold was being brought back into the
country. Well, the New World Order people sent troops to capture that gold and
keep it from NESARA, because NESARA
also sets up an individual—each state will have its own state treasury, which
will support the currency in the area. When the troops arrived, they found out
there was already troops there who were protecting it. And they sent them away.
The federalized troops were sent away, and nobody got shot.
Question:
So the second group of troops that arrived were Faction 1 or Faction 2?
Richard:
The second group was Faction 1. Faction 2 already had troops there. There’s an
incredible gold fort. I understand it’s kept in two places in the United
States. NESARA backs new currency. The Euro came out
just recently. And though they do not advertise it or make a big noise about
it, the Euro is backed by gold. If people figure that one out, they’re going to
say, “I’m going to give these paper Federal Reserve Notes back and trade them
for Euros, because I can get told for Euros. I can’t get diddly
for a Federal Reserve Note.”
Question:
And yet, one of the biggest governments, England, they’re not in it yet, are
they?
Richard:
No, they’re not.
Question:
How do you explain that?
Richard:
The United States and England are reading off the same sheet of music. The Bank
of England calls the tune for England and the United States. I don’t know if
you want to accept that or not, but that’s the best I can understand.
Question:
After the earth changes come about, and the new continent rises out of the
Pacific Ocean, are there any current islands that are above the water now that
will be on that continent?
Richard:
Right. There will be plateaus there; mainly they’re mountain tops.
Question:
And there’s islands in the Pacific that will be raised up?
Richard:
Yes. Most of them. I wouldn’t say that the new continent outline is going to be
identical to what it was when it sank 26,000 years ago. It probably won’t be.
But it will be quite extensive, I understand.
Question:
Do you supposed Pearl Harbor will be a dry dock?
Richard:
Yeah, right. And everything in it.
Question:
So according to the Bible Code, do you think that perhaps the fact that the
Israelis attacked Iraq and prevented war from erupting, that kind of delayed
everything? Is that your position, or at least a legitimate theory?
Richard:
Well, you’re referring to the Israeli attack against the development of nuclear
weapons in Baghdad?
Question:
And the Israelis apparently read the Bible Code and noticed something about
that and then acted on that?
Richard:
Yes. And there are other things that they noticed in the Bible Code, too, since
then. They put them in the right place at the right time. But they’re headed on
a suicide mission that will eventually destroy Israel. The Palestinian people
and the Israelis do not get along. And it’s awfully hard for a Palestinian to
give up what had been their land for generations and were dispossessed by
international agreements in favor of the Israelis. But the big money people
needed the outlets for banks for movement of gold, diamonds to places where
drugs were being purchased. So they just needed a little place; Israel is not
all that big. But the amount of money that flows through Israel every day is in
the trillions of dollars; every day. The international bankers, the
powers-that-be, needed that place in order to do business. And they didn’t care
how many people they dispossessed in the process of setting it up. I don’t know
why people who do stuff like that completely disregard how people are going to
react. They just figure, “We’ll just keep them beaten down until they just
accept whatever we put on them.” People’s memories are long. Nobody has ever
occupied Afghanistan; nobody. Afghanistan is for the Afghanis, and you’d better
believe that that’s going to go on and on that way. It’s not a good place for
Americans to be, although they have this love affair going on right now between
the provisional government and
Question:
But that provisional government is essentially American surrogates; isn’t it?
And they’re not Afghani people who are really Afghan patriots or anything like
that. That’s my perception, anyway.
Richard:
They have representatives from all of the factions of Afghans. They’re all
there together.
Question:
The people at the top just pay lip service to their needs or concerns?
Richard:
Well, they’re got to pacify the place. After twenty years of war, everybody is
saying, “Enough is enough already.” Once they get things settled down, then
they can start shooting one another again. I’m not trying to be facetious;
that’s just a fact. The various tribal groups have not gotten along for a
couple thousand years. Throwing a bunch of money in there is not going to
change it. But we need a pipeline through there. And even Russia needs a
pipeline through there. And so you have the United States and Russia agreeing
on the present system that’s going on. So also, the other big thing is who
controls the poppy fields of Afghanistan? They provide about 90% of the heroin
in the world. That’s not going to change. The Bushes see dollar signs every
time they look out at all of those poppy fields out there. It may sound unfair
for me to say—You might say, “This guy is accusing him of all these horrendous
things. I’m not accusing them of anything; I just read about all of the crimes
that the Bushes have been carrying out for years. And it doesn’t make any
difference how much they do. Every so often they’re called before federal
courts and magistrates and so forth, but somehow or other, the charges are
dropped. How can that be? I’ve read accounts of how they’ve really got it
nailed as to who does what and when, but nothing ever happens. So are we being
ruled? Or do we have people who are governing the United States for the benefit
of all the citizens? I don’t think so. I think we’re being ruled. At any rate,
there are a lot of scary things happening.
Richard:
We haven’t gotten very metaphysical today, folks.
Question:
I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut when I see things going on that are
not for the good of, say, an innocent person, like a child or something like
that. It’s traumatic for me. When I see them falling under cultural influences
that I feel are harmful, it seems like in the next ten years, we could undergo
a lot of trouble. I know that the Brothers will be able to not have to go
through the trauma of the cleansing, but it just seems pretty difficult to have
to go through that.
Richard:
I guess the best thing to do is to try to create an oasis that will minimize
all these kinds of things yourself. Because you sure as heck can’t go out and change
the world. I’d like to be able to. But every so often somebody comes along who
has an idea which is so profound and so understandable and desirable to
everybody, that they make immediate changes. That happened in the case of the
Iroquois Confederation. It happened in the case of Tibet changing from an
extremely warlike place to being a Buddhist haven. Somebody came along that
changed everything within a few years. There must be somebody out there who’s
willing or able to do the same thing other than having Christ come back. And
maybe that’s what it’s going to take; I don’t know. But He’s not scheduled to
come back for another almost thousand years now. So there are people who are
keeping us educated through the Internet. But still, I don’t see people uniting
into a different party to make major changes. If they do come up with a party
that really becomes popular, there’s a Republican party and a Democratic party
who are going to do everything possible to destroy it. Ross Perot came up with
some stuff that everybody said is the same old stuff; we don’t have to worry
about it, and they were right; it just disappeared. The Green Party is going to
be the same sort of thing. Somebody has to come up with a radical change, a
really radical change, that is so appealing, and is so self-evident, that
people will switch around to a new system. Frankly, I don’t think that’s going
to happen in this country. Even if NESARA gets
established, which I’m hoping it does, I don’t think we’re going to have—We’ve
just try to hold things together here until 2012 and see what happens then. But
if somebody comes along that appears to be personally, I would probably join
their party. That’s me personally; I’m not saying the group. It’s not going to
be Maitreya; I’ll tell you that.
Question:
A couple of times this afternoon you’ve mentioned the year 2012. Over the last
couple months, it appears that you’ve narrowed it down to that particular year.
Is that true, and why?
Richard:
A number of different sources who are quite independent from me or the
Brotherhoods, so far as I know, seem to settle on that date, at the latest.
There’s a great deal of metaphysical acceptance of the earth changes coming up,
and they’re going to be widespread and extremely destructive. And I think most
people see it as a cleansing, and then we can start afresh. So they’re
interested in it and they’re trying to narrow it down as to when it’s going to
happen. And a number of calendars that have been around for a long time have
been rather—about particular things, and they’ve been pinning their hopes on
those calendars. None of them go past 2012. So maybe there’s something to that.
I was told right from the beginning that May 5 of 2000 was going to be a
trigger. There have been people started reporting how much volcanic activity
and seismic activity there has been in the last twenty years, so they figure
this is building up to something. This has been a quiet year so far, but a
couple of volcanoes have done things that nobody’s ever seen anything like that
before. Well, the Earth is restive. We’ll just have to see what happens. And
now they’re talking about big comets and rogue planets influencing. Scientists
report that there have been major changes in the atmosphere of all the planets
in our solar system, including ours, and even more changes from the Sun than
they’ve ever seen before. What does that auger? I don’t know. But every planet
is experiencing changes. Since we’ve learned how to measure things that go on
in the atmosphere of the planets, we’ve been able to locate changes. So there
seems to be a feeling that perhaps we’re entering part of the Universe where
our Sun travels in an orbit on its own, a big orbit. And as it streams through parts
of space, each one has different characteristics. More hydrogen atoms per cubic
whatever, different magnetic or electric characteristics that the surrounding
space of the solar system is passing now. Also, the leading edge of the solar
system has set up a glow that has never been observed before. Some kind of an
electromagnetic something-or-other, but it’s more energetic than apparently
we’ve going through before, and it’s influencing the Sun in some way, also, all
of the planets of the solar system. But nobody can predict where this is going
to lead, because they’ve never seen it before and every 20,000 years do we pass
through this thing every 26,000 years? I don’t know; they don’t know either.
But something is happening. And when such changes occur electro-magnetically
and atmospherically, it influences human beings. So what are we going to do?
Are we going to be progressing to a more advanced stage? Will we become more
bestial? We don’t know. Let’s stick around and find out. Apparently, these changes
are occurring very rapidly. I guess over the past couple of years. It’s
something to think about. If you’re sleeping peacefully, maybe this will change
that. Lie there awake all night long worrying about it.
Question:
Some time ago you described that love isn’t an emotion, but it’s a power
emanating from a Celestial source.
Richard:
From God.
Question:
Right. And I want to keep that thought at the moment while I ask the other
questions. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there are five principal emotions in a
human being—grief, anger, fear, joy, and awe.
Richard:
Everything else is a mixture of those.
Question:
Then when people decide that they fall in love or a relationship develops,
would they not be experiencing more joy and awe that is mistaken for the power
of love or can you add more to that?
Richard:
I don’t know if that’s a hairy subject or a sticky subject.
Question:
I know it could be different for different people, and maybe it’s something
that can’t be applied in a general sense, but I thought maybe if you could try.
Richard:
Well, all kinds of wonderful things happen when you find yourself compatible
with another person of the opposite gender, and you’re exploring one another.
And in the process, you’re exploring yourself in a new way. And that’s exciting
stuff. Now, a lot of excitement, a lot of satisfaction, novelty—novelty usually
brings happiness; it doesn’t necessarily bring joy, but maybe to some extent
awe is what it is you’re experiencing. These are positive things. Whether or
not love is involved is a whole different thing again. You have sex, which
doesn’t necessarily have anything at all to do with love in order to be a
powerful driving force. It brings many gratifications in itself. Love is a
long, enduring kind of thing; it does not depend upon awe or happiness. It has
as much to do with commitment to other people and a desire to help other
people, to not look at those aspects which are self-gratifying, but those
aspects which are extending of oneself to the benefit of others. That seems to
be how it manifests. But all those other good things at the beginning, if
everything woks out, sets things up for the expression of love. And when the
excitement and gratification and certainly in most of those ways, kind of
tapers off, it’s the love which makes for an enduring beauty. Now, we say that
love is a power that emanates from God, which is channeled by the person who
has maturity and basic humanity, love is a flow for the individual. So they
will become a focus of that love energy. If things can be passed through, you can
then feel the love as it comes through you and goes out to other people. You
can’t bottle up love within yourself. It has to flow from outside of you to
outside of you. Now, what’s the advantage of all of that?
Question:
Doesn’t that create a better ability to experience the other two emotions of
joy and awe?
Richard:
It helps a lot. Remember the person who is self-involved emotionally cannot
receive or transmit love. The person who is so neurotic is not a good receiver
and transmitter of love. They’re energy drains on other people. So you have to
be grown up in order to experience love. There are a lot of children who aren’t
neurotic. Their parents aren’t neurotic. They didn’t pass on neuroses to their
children, and their children are these kind of golden babes who are a joy to
have around and who are very humane and civil, and they can channel love quite
naturally. So you don’t have to be the product of psychoanalysis over twenty
years in order to experience love. It can just be perfectly natural. I have run
into children like that. And I always want to meet the parents to find out
they’re just delightful people. I had a boss one time, a young man, who was
about 32 or 33, something like that. He was just a delight to be around all the
time. Another golden child. So it is possible. I’ve seen it, and it’s nice to
be emulated.
Question:
Do you think those people will comprise most of the remnant?
Richard:
I see a lot of it here. At any rate, these are a lot of words to try and
distinguish what it was you were talking about. I hope that clarifies things a
bit.
Question:
There’s more I would like to add yet.
Richard:
The discussion never ends—or shouldn’t.
Question:
Also, the Bible Codes that were mentioned; so of them were quite dramatic, and
have apparently proven to be prophetic. Have you any supposition, or even idea,
of the authors? Who were the encoders?
Richard:
It might not have been Moses.
Question:
Or it might have. He was capable.
Richard:
But somebody knew something, and figured out how to do it. I think it’s amazing
how we figured out that somebody figured it out.
Question:
Apparently those prophecies are malleable. What’s the purpose of putting
something into Scripture like that if it’s subject to change? It seems kind of
unlikely to me. I just don’t understand.
Richard:
The warning aspect that something needs to be done, or this is going to happen.
Question:
I was looking at the letter you sent about how things have changed about May
2000, and you said there were two dates, 2000 and 2006; I believe that’s what
you said. To predict something’s going to happen and then it just doesn’t seem
likely. I just don’t understand why saying one day, if the other date—one time
is one time and the other one is accurate, if things didn’t change. I believe
that we can change things, but why prophecy with the stature that the Bible enjoys,
and then they not apparently be accurate.
Richard:
Then you have to remember there’s another thing, too. That stuff has already
remained hidden for thousands of years. Why has somebody discovered them just
in time for them to be of value? We’re talking about mysteries here; there’s no
question about that. Somebody was telling us something; making sure that we’re
hearing them. And of course, the first person you run into, they found it hard
to convince anybody that they’d found something. Stuff like that becomes so
popular, and they can sell millions of books on Bible prophecy and the Bible
Code, shows that people want to know what’s going on. They want to be able to
have some kind of way to plan. And we know, for instance, winter is not a good
time to plant crops, but we know the spring is always around the corner from
winter, and we bet on that year after year. Those are things which are pretty
much for sure. Everything else is pretty risky. People have figured out how to
predict the stock market through astrology and through cycles. Why is anybody
interested? Because we want to know in advance. When somebody says that there
are going to be comets falling or earthquakes, we want to hear as much
information as we can to help prepare. And that’s apparently the best we can
do. There’s still egg on my face from the fact that May 5, 2000 didn’t occur,
and I feel that all the time.
Question:
It was a trigger.
Richard:
Yes, something happened.
Question:
It’s my understanding that we have to make our own way; that we have to try to,
through trial and error, to do what we have to do, and that’s in a way like
cheating to be told ahead of time that this is going to happen or that’s going
to happen. I understand about the crops and things, and we learn through trial
and error not to plant in winter and this, that and the other. But it just
seems like if those prophecies are accurate, in a way, it’s almost like
cheating because it kind of goes against the idea of us learning on our own and
making our own way.
Richard:
The prize, though, is the preservation of some level of civilization which
takes so long to establish. And we’ve made a lot of preparations around here
which are here; we’ve moved that far ahead. You put lifeboats on ocean liners
because even things which are unsinkable sink, and you do the best you can in
making sure that things aren’t going to go too bad for you. I’ll do all I can.
If God wants to whisper in my ear, I’ll listen to Him. The problem is, how do
you know it’s Him? The Devil and God whisper in the same way.
Question:
What did you say about warlords? Did you mean before or after?
Richard:
After. That’s the first step back from some kind of larger societal control.
Question:
And they won’t be wiped out by their karma because we’re talking national
karma.
Richard:
Yes. There’s always something that you have to guard against and be on the
right side at the right time. That’s part of the wisdom of living, I guess.
Question:
Would you consider Love to be a very fluid thing, a very alive thing that has
constantly be moving, with good circulation, like you have to have really good
circulation of your blood or something?
Richard:
I guess as much as you can stand, you can do. But I don’t know that you have to
do anything with it. What we call Love is the great creative energetic force of
life. What we call Love, that’s part of the definition of it.
Question:
So you have to constantly be making yourself fit for it, to be a vehicle for
it? You have to be ready for making Love part of your consciousness. You have
to be aware?
Richard:
I don’t know if you have to be aware, because most people who receive and use
Love very effectively probably never try to identify it or quantify it in any
way.
Question:
You make it sound like you either have it or you don’t.
Richard:
I’m afraid that’s the way it is. You can’t whomp it
up. It’s an energy that you have to be prepared to receive and transmit. And
some people are not transmitters. And if it doesn’t go out to much valuable
use, there’s not much point in it coming to you. We refer to Love as an
emotion, but it is not. It gives rise to feelings within our bodies, which are
very salubrious. So since it gives rise to feelings, we say that there must be
emotion behind the feeling, but it’s not; it’s a force. And people keep
classifying it as an emotion because it feels like an emotion. But it’s not. I
guess one of the main points I’m trying to make out of that is that it comes
from the outside; it comes from the Source; it’s the great creative power, the
great healing power, of the Universe. It’s there all the time; it never goes
away. And it’s there in unlimited quantities for whoever can and will use it.
But unfortunately, the neurotic persons can’t use it because they have blocks
in their feelings for people and tend to be self-centered rather than sociocentered.